“I ship Captain Swan, though I am primarily a Emma stan. I just love the way he makes her happy (he’s not the only person who makes her happy of course but that doesn’t change the fact that he does), and I love the way he encourages her and believes in her. Emma needs that. It’s so important that he believes in her and makes sure she knows. I don’t think she should be with anyone who doesn’t.”
I don’t believe that she should be with anyone who doesn’t respect and he sure as hell doesn’t. I also don’t believe that she should be with someone who constantly lies to her as he does. Or someone who has insulted her as he has, and her mother as well. Or someone who has left her for dead twice as he has. Only helps when he thinks it will score points with her as he did with Charming in Neverland. Or has hit on her mother as he has, twice. Or threatened to rape her and comments that getting women drunk is his “tactic.” Or shoved her into a wall just so he could stab Rumple and try to kill him. Or shot another woman in the back as well as having hit her and tried to kill her, stalked and attacked her.
It’s really stupid to have Emma involved with that type of guy when she surely has dealt with guys like him before in her job as a bail bonds person.
I’m sorry, but I had to query one part of this, you don’t think she should be with someone who threatened to rape her (which Hook didn’t), but you do think she should be with someone who actually did rape her?
Can you explain your logic there?
What the hell do you think he meant when he said “When I jab you with my sword, you’ll feel it,” just seconds after saying “Normally I prefer to do more enjoyable activities when a woman is on her back,” as he stood over her?
It’s also a death threat. Yeah, Emma should be with a man who threatened to kill her. No.
All of what Mary said. And Neal did not rape Emma. There is no evidence to suggest that his biological age on his wanted poster was accurate—everything else on it was a lie, after all. MRJ is only two years older than JMo, so Neal could very well have been just two years older than Emma—in which case, their relationship would not have been illegal. Or Emma could have lied about her age, to make Neal think she was older than she was. Or they could have driven over to another state (they did travel a lot after all) and conceived Henry there instead of in Oregon. Sorry if people are triggered by SF, but calling Neal a rapist when they have no concrete evidence to back up that assertion is ridiculous.
… yeah, you’re right, his age on the wanted poster was fake, because he wAS OVER 300 YEARS OLD!!
And the age difference isn’t the only thing that’s triggering about SF. What I find the most triggering is the way he ignores her feelings, or, even sometimes laughs at them! (If you want an example you can find one here and trust me there are way more from where that came from)
So before you go on babbling about how Killian doesn’t respect Emma (which he does now, and while I admit he did say things that weren’t the best back when they were enemies, he proved that he changed and it’s not our fault that you refuse to acknowlege that), look at Neal, who respected her even less than Hook did when they were enemies.
I was talking about his BIOLOGICAL age. Perhaps you missed that part. *rolls eyes* Neal was in Neverland for 300 years (betrayed by Killy Willy Poo to Pan and his minions, among whom Bae suffered from torment) so he did not age. In fact, Neverland was meant to bring out the child in him. If you’re actually triggered by a magical 300 year difference in age, look at your Killy Poo. He’s even older than Emma. He was supposed to be Bae’s pseudo-step-father. Your ship is borderline incestuous, given Milah, Hook’s deceased lover of ten years, was Henry’s grandmother.
Neal had reason not to believe in Emma’s lie-detector “superpower”. For starters, it wasn’t actually an infallible superpower; rather, it was a knack for catching liars—a knack that Emma developed more *after* her time with Neal, during her training as a bounty hunter. Emma really had no evidence against Tamara, and she was acting like a jealous ex. Not even Emma’s parents believed in her. As for the time Neal smiled at Emma in Manhattan, when, after he said he wouldn’t do to Henry what Rumple did to him, she retorted “Or what you did to me?!”—Neal went on to say, “Alright. I get it. We’re all messed up.” His smile wasn’t a mocking type of grin, unlike Hook’s smirk in Neverland when she was berating him and Neal over their lighter match. Also, just want to point out that Neal did believe in Emma. He said, “If there’s one thing I know about you, it’s that you never give up until you find what you’re looking for” to her after they put a sleeping Henry down on the couch.
All of Hook’s encouragement to Emma is falsified. Hook said he’d seen the power in her when Cora tried to take her heart, but really, he couldn’t have done so since Emma knocked his ass unconscious after he leered over her and made rape jokes. He said she had defeated Pan, but really, Rumple had. And it was Regina who defeated Zelena.
Yeah, if you think Hook making rape jokes and hitting on Emma’s mother and calling Emma a dried up, useless bean is more respectful than Neal not believing in Emma’s lie detector ability, go right ahead. If you think Hook saying he was happy Emma’s heart was broken is more respectful than Neal saying he was sorry Emma’s relationship with Walsh didn’t work out, go right ahead. If you think Hook drunkenly hitting on Tink to make Emma jealous is more respectful than Neal saying he’d stop bothering Emma if she chose not to see him in the diner, go right ahead.
The more people try to make hook look like a saint compared to Neal, the more kind-hearted and good Neal appears.
1) A 16 year old dating a man much older than her is completely different than a woman in her early 30s dating a man much older than her. One relationship is in between a teenager and an adult. The other is in between two adults!
2) The incest argument? Again? This is by far one of the silliest arguments, ffor several reasons. The first being that Milah and Hook were not married, and that Neal never considered Hook as his father. The second is that Neal and Emma are not family. Henry and Emma yes. Neal and Henry, yes. But Neal and Emma, no!
3) Even if Neal didn’t believe in Emma’s superpower, he should have enough respect for her not to tell her, the woman he supposedly loves, that he does, or atleast refrain from outright stating that he doesn’t! And he should know that she is an intelligent woman, and have enough faith to believe her when she sais she isn’t jealous of him, a man she dated over a decade ago who abandonned her in jail pregnant, and another woman.
4) His smile was a mocking type of smile, and I’m sorry, but saying “we’re all messed up” is brushing off her pain. He complains about what his father does to him, but brushes off Emma’s pain when she tells him he did the same thing. I don’t even get how anyone could deny that’s disrespectful! And Neal said way more things that were disrespectful and proved he didn’t believe in Emma!
5) Honestly, about the whole “saw the power inside of you” thing, I don’t really know what the deal with that is, but even if Killian was lying (i’m pretty sure it was just a mistake on the writer’s part, but still…), it doesn’t change the fact that Hook knew about her power, and chose to remind her of that and encourage her. I don’t see how that could be bad, wether or not Hook really saw it. And as for the other things, Rumple and Regina may have given the final blows, but defeating them was a team effort, a team that had Emma as a leader. She had a very big part in defeating them, and Hook reminding her of that is… bad?
6) I don’t think the things that Hook said to Emma, such as “dried up and useless”, were polite. They were disrespectful. But Hook always considered a powerful woman, and the two of them an equal team. You forget that Hook had been betrayed and was angry, and that Cora was also there, so he wasn’t really going to tell her “you’re awesome!”. However, your point is taken. I aknowlege that Hook said some disrespectful things. However, Neal did even more disrespectful things to the woman who he was not enemies with, like Emma and Hook were, but the woman he supposedly loved. Not believing in Emma’s abilities weren’t the only disrespectful things he said. I can make a list, if you want. There were all the other times he brushed off her pain, and the time he yelled at her when last time they saw each other was just before he sent her to jail, and I can list waay more things!
7) I never tried to make Killian look like a saint, as I don’t think he is! But guess what? Neal wasn’t either! And he wasn’t a hero! And the more people try to make it look like he was, the more people remember how he wasn’t!
1. That she waded into a consent argument while believing there is no difference between age differences between adults and age differences when there is a child involved astounds me.
2. If CS is incest, then SF is even more so. Which is the part they seem to forget. Because they are related through Neal, and she has a closer familial relationship to Neal. Which is of course, nonsense.
3. The argument seemed to be, it is OK to mock a loved one about something they are proud of as long as you don’t believe in them. Saying he didn’t believe just makes him come off worse.
4. I’m not sure how else we are meant to take him laughing at her pain other than disrespectful, and honestly abusive.
5. Colin confirmed that Hook threw the fight, and that is the only explanation for her winning her second ever sword fight against a guy with 300 years experience anyway. Him saying he saw is not a lie, it is confirmation of what anyone who had watched the scene already knew, that he hadn’t really lost.
6. Hook said some cruel things to her, particularly after she stabbed him in the back and betrayed him, but he always respected her as an opponent. And when they got to Neverland he was the only one who consistently showed her respect. That was how he won me over. Seeing how well he treated Emma after the abuse she received from Neal in S2. And that they are still quoting lines out of context despite the fact that we could pull the same trick to argue that Emma wanted Neal dead is just pathetic. Not to mention, yes, I think Hook being glad she hasn’t given up on love is much better than Neal’s ultimatum and emotional manipulation over the diner lunch.